how many of you have the core forged leather gloves (or whatever it's called) with the crit and +5 daggers? cus that's insanely good on bosses... i recall sharding it last week and yet we have what? 3-4 guys with perdition?

IT is fucking retarded how some rogues do there loot (coughultimacough)... I was soooo god damn angry when Ultima passed on the Gutgore Ripper when he was using a thunderwood poke and Lobotmizer. Jesus. Some are hording up dkp cause they dont have the patience to wait for Perp blade... So they will pass on stuff just so they have that top edge, which is totally shit. I remember a while back some people giving Omnius shit for pass on Arcanist gloves because it would of helped the raid... These rogues are doing that now and just trying to help themselves. Tbh, I roll on everything will help me and I pass on stuff that I could roll for if it was going to someone who needed it (robes of volitale power to rug rug).

I think its time to stop being greedy and actually try to get better gear that will help the raid and stop worrying about some weopan that you will eventually get but no need to worry atm.

It is there DKP so they can do what they like with it. I cant say i agree on passing on things that could help them yet if they wish to pass it is there right. Although next time think of the DKP your not giving me by passing.

Is this the bitch rogues out for not wanting shitty gloves topic?

I'd rather stick to teir1...Anybody else that wants those gloves...more power to you!

no it's a question as to wether or not rogues (and people in general) know the effects of +weapon skill in raids. mainly on +2 or +3 elites and bosses. rogues in Naxx still use those gloves on bosses while switching out to other gloves for trash that are 61 or even 62 elite.

those gloves are excellent raiding gloves due to the effects of glancing blows being reduced by having increased weapon skill.

on a 63 elite mob (bosses too) you have a 40% chance for your white damage to be glancing blows. if you have 300 weapon skill the penalty is something in the order of -30% damage. for every point of weapon skill over 300 you have, that damage penalty goes down. so if you get 310 weapon skill it becomes -0%. so your white damage does full damage. glancing blows cannot crit so you are basically gimping yourself by not taking these gloves.

send me the nexus crystals and i'll tape them to my gloves via enchant, and i'll see how much damage i lose due to glancing blows.

Vagrant has the right idea. Who needs an enchanter when you have duct tape?

Those gloves are awesome when fighting bosses things like destroyers. You really want +10 when fighting that stuff because your AP and especially your crit% is useless when you glancing.

Here's more interesting information. The Distracting Dagger works out to be close in damage to offhanding a Core Hound Tooth against a boss/63 mob. Actually, the Distracting Dagger produces more overall DPS (than the CHT) if the target isn't immune to instant poison. Of course, offhanding a CHT + ACLG is the best DPS by far. If your offhand isn't all that great to begin with, getting a distracting dagger would be good until you have that set.

+weapon skill is actually a big deal in PvE raiding against mobs over 60. So anyone trying to whore up the damage meter should definitely look into loot like this. I've seen several people talk about using Edgemaster Handguards(http://www.thotbott.com/?i=12420),which is normally ridiculed as an epic, on a dps warrior new to raiding soley for the weaponskill.

Suo, you need to tone down your language a bit. Whether or not you make a valid point about raid loot, there is no need for abusive posts and we'll show little patience with such behavior.

As far as hoarding DKP... we are loathe to ever force loot on anyone (its like forcing people to play a certain spec). However, if a player passes on an obvious upgrade to their raid capability (e.g. a warrior tanking gear, a rogue dps, a shaman- rolling a pally) to hoard dkp for some other potential drop, it will be noted and can affect future raid slotting, their spot in line for crafted goods, etc... You're not forced to play a certain way but the people more focused on the group success will be rewarded by the group first.

My post was soley filled with anger and I made the post with anger but truth. If it where to lead from removal from the guild then so be it but I have stated what I feel

Unless the rogue already has +10 weapon skill, via Distracting Dagger, Weapon Expertise, or Mugger's Belt.... >.>

Honestly next they'll be telling us to not use Evasion against warriors.

Play a rogue to 60 and then tell us what to roll on. :O

edgemaster's are the best pve gloves for DW warriors in the game. the sad part is it's a mid 40's epic. but the +7 to axe,sword and daggers is too good.